Brayflox's Longstop as a Healer - in need of some major tips.

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Disclaimer: This is my first MMO and I'm not a very active video game player in general.. I'm talking about minimal playing (I have a blog outlining just how bad I am). I could be deemed one of those annoying people in the game as I just don't know better. But for the couple of harsh impatient people I've encountered I've had three times as many be so nice and helpful. So, thankful I'm not completely discouraged.

I failed very hard at Brayflox's my first run. Or actually, just during the final boss. We died once and I was given tips on what to do but even doing everything I was told we still continued to die, maybe 5 times, before running out of time. Looking at my stats it was deduced to be a large part that my gear was way under level and I hadn't taken on my white mage quest yet, so therefore didn't have certain traits and actions. I feel silly just not knowing I could have undertaken that white mage quest - possibly I should be reading the stories more.

Anyway, on my second run with much better gear, my white mage, and a very amazing friend we went at it. It was for some reason, way worse than the first time. I was home sick with a massive headache so maybe not the best idea to play as I quickly felt worse and logged off in shame. In hindsight I was told our tank had bad gear and he did seem to be taking more damage than I could keep up with. Its very easy to run out of mp when trying to keep him up with Cure II so I tried to use a combination but I'm on a PS3 so scrolling through the hotbar is slightly time consuming (or is for someone who doesn't play video games that much).

So first, I'd love possible some tips on what a great hot bar set up would be .. and then the obvious how to make it through this dungeon as a healer without giving myself another panic attack. Because, I'm very serious when I say my heart rate raises and I get very shaky (I get this way when playing alone so l get much worse when there is the pressure of getting others through as well).

Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:10:53 -0500 by jessica_atreides
  • juniglee  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:26:54 -0500

    Brayflox is more of a tank check, not so much of a healer check. It's one of the few dungeons where there are also small mechanics checks.

    • First boss simply spawns adds from time to time. Tank should try and pick these up.
    • Halfway through the second boss, an add spawns, chasing a goblin. The add needs to be focused down as soon as possible. Sometimes, during the middle of the fight, the goblin will temporarily steal aggro from the boss and run towards someone. That someone needs to keep running, unless they want to eat a Burning Cyclone to the face.
    • The third boss likes to apply a Magic Vulnerability Up debuff to all characters in melee range, then shooting AoE in a front conal range in front of him. You can use Esuna to clear the debuff, but it's better to save your mana, and hope the tank avoids the conal AoE. The boss also periodically traps a player in a bubble, this bubble needs to be killed once it comes up.
    • The final boss is where it gets hairy. The tank should do his best to avoid the Dragon Breath AoE. It saves you from using too much healing spells. Also, the tank has to reposition the boss out of poison pools for the second half of the fight. I've seen healers run out of mana too many times in this fight because the tank can't dodge the Dragon Breath. Your advantage here as a WHM over a SCH is that you can use Esuna to clear Poison stacks.

    Cure I is more mana efficient, you should try to use Cure I where possible, and wait for a Freecure proc to use Cure II, unless in an emergency.

    While this dungeon can be done as a Conjurer, but the extra stats from the Soul of the White Mage crystal really helps out here. Your Level 30 WHM skill won't be of much use (Presence of Mind - increases spell speed).

    This is also one of the few dungeons where you should try to have updated gear if you are a tank or a healer. Brayflox is a fun dungeon, and the Battlemage set you can acquire from Brayflox is a really good mage set that can last you up till you get your first AF pieces (Level 45).

        •   krelbel  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:25:51 -0500  

          Good advice. A couple tips, not to the OP, but to tanks and scholars struggling with Brayflox that might be reading this thread:

          The tank should do his best to avoid the Dragon Breath AoE.

          One tip I like to give tanks that are struggling with the fight is to stand as close to the exact center of the boss's sprite as possible, right inside the actual model of the boss. The AoE is a large pillar that originates at the center of the boss and projects forward, so if you stand right near the center, you can dodge it by going an extremely small distance forward through the boss, while dodging left or right requires running a much longer distance. Especially helpful if the tank is lagging a bit. The same technique can be used to dodge all cone AoEs in the game.

          Your advantage here as a WHM over a SCH is that you can use Esuna to clear Poison stacks.

          It saddens me to see so many Scholars struggling with Aiatar. Antidotes work perfectly, removing all Poison stacks instantly, and have a short enough cooldown time that you can use them whenever the tank gets 3-4 stacks (depending on how good they are at dodging breath). They also currently cost 1 gil apiece on the market board on my server (Sarg). They're extremely helpful for that fight.

          •   juniglee  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:40:07 -0500  

            Ah yes, there's a tip I didn't mention since this thread was healer specific. Tanks can stand near Aiatar's left front leg. When the Dragon Breath comes out, they can just run in front a few to dodge it, then move back into position when the AoE finishes. Move back into position to prevent messing up the rotations of melee DPS, who tend to be positional dependant.

            Just clarifying that ideally you want to stand near the centre, but just out towards the direction you want the boss to face. For this specific boss, it's around the front of the left front foot.

          •   The47thSen  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:51:31 -0500  

            Adlo also stops poison protection. I've never bothered with antidotes in that place.

          •   Zosimasie  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 06:45:53 -0500  

            I've done Brayflox at least 8 times each as both a WHM and SCH. I've found SCH to be waaay easier, even without the Esuna/Leeches. I think Eos is just too pro. The poison doesn't even do that much per tick.

          •   Ashorian84  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 09:37:52 -0500  

            while antidotes are good, as scholar we have access to eye for an eye, virus and fey covenant in terms of protection against those high stacks of poison at that level, never mind the protection of galvanize from adlo. i just start rotating them in addition to whispering dawn once the stacks on the tank get high. i can't imagine scholars have it worse than white mages at that level.

          •   Hatsee  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:51:33 -0500  

            Yeah I was making use of antidotes here, let it get to around 3-4 stacks and then cure. Costs nothing, and it works. But I had a stockpile in anticipation of the Duty, Honor, Country quest because in beta it was just brutal and then I didn't even use any, heh.

        •   Kibafool  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:30:27 -0500  

          I play a MAR as my main and I did this dungeon back to back for about 3 hours to get all of the Calvary Set. I never thought it was hard till I saw people posting about it. It's very simple to me. The final boss is actually pretty easy if everyone stands towards the back of him while the tank very slowly kites it around the edge of the room. That way the pools are way behind it and out of his path. Tanks not dodging the Dragon Breath AoE sounds stupid to me. I always try to dodge AoEs if I am unable to stun the enemy doing it. Red means death even for tanks.

          First Boss. Tank should stand right infront of the gate to pick up the adds when they spawn. Just kill the adds then focus on the boss.

          Second Boss. Helps if you have someone sleep the boss when the add shows up. Makes it a lot easier on the healer.

          Third Boss. I usually pull him all the way to the gate and fight him on the piece of dry land. Stun him when he does his circle AoE and just move out of the way of his cone AoE. Pretty simple.

          •   faydaletraction  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:16:04 -0500  

            Tanks not dodging the Dragon Breath AoE sounds stupid to me.

            Right? Honestly, I feel like if a tank is in the 30s and still hasn't developed the ability to consistently dodge a relatively thin straight-line AOE, maybe Brayflox isn't the problem...

            •   RageOverdose  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:33:15 -0500  

              I still deal with tanks letting themselves get hit by Hydra's breath attack. That debuff makes it hard to keep two tanks alive for a Triumvirate, especially when the OT is the one that can't seem to dodge it.

              •   kethrel  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:55:59 -0500  

                That breath attack, white breath iirc, has a much faster cast time than most boss attacks you come across before it, to prepare you for all ones that follow (ifrit HM, garuda HM, etc.), which also have the faster casting. Add that to the fact that the Hydra sprite is larger than most so the cone takes more running to get out of... it is unforgiving for a tanks first time. That being said, after 1 attempt most tanks should be be picking up on that but It really is an adjustment.

          •   Hungy15  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:53:01 -0500  

            Just started tanking myself and I have to say that is by far the hardest aoe for me to consistently dodge although I'm only approaching level 50 now. I don't know if its just me lagging (living in Hawaii, constant ~150-200 ping sucks) but it seems to fire off much faster than pretty much any other boss aoe and does a good chunk of damage even if you are decently geared.

          •   The47thSen  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:54:43 -0500  

            Only started playing as a warrior recently. I try to avoid the breath but I get hit about half the time. I usually a strafe sideways.

            •   cr3t1n  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 21:50:35 -0500  

              strafing sideways is ok, but still stand as close to the top of the AoE bar as possible, then it's less run for cones, and if you get started late you can move forward and hope. It It get's pretty second nature, until they throw Chimera's full right and full left aoe fields at you and you have to break your habit. But that's all just prepping you for the future....

        •   Zosimasie  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 06:42:46 -0500  

          the goblin will temporarily steal aggro from the boss and run towards someone. That someone needs to keep running, unless they want to eat a Burning Cyclone to the face.

          No. No no no no no!! That person should NOT just run around like an idiot. The Goblin will 'follow' on a random non-tank person (usually a dps). That person should stand inside the drake at the center, just a little bit towards the back of the drake than at the direct center. This will make it so the drake doesn't run around all crazy-like and accidentally breath on random people, and it also makes it so the person the goblin is running to doesn't get hit, as long as they're slightly to the backside from center of the drake.

          The drake chases the goblin during this part, and the goblin chases a person. The chased person can completely avoid the fire breath attack. I do it all the time.

          •   juniglee  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:00:48 -0500  

            Good tip here. I guess you always learn something new everyday!

        •   Hatsee  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:59:02 -0500  

          I am mainly going to just comment on how this is not a healer check, you're wrong. Very wrong.

          Prior to this most of the time during trash pulls as a healer you can cycle a few nukes, toss a heal, or with a SCH simply let the fairy do the healing while you dot and nuke. This is unacceptable in Brayflox, you can get away with it if you're lucky but most of the time you will simply have the tank targeted and will spam heals. This is a big change for low level healers that they have probably not seen prior and they need to know this going into the dungeon or they will murder many tanks and cause a lot of wipes.

          It also is a tank check, but for them it's more of a gear check than anything else.

          •   juniglee  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 22:06:38 -0500  

            That's just a ramp in difficulty though. Starting from Haukke they start to hit pretty hard, because prior to Haukke, dungeons were tuned for classes. Haukke was somewhere in between classes and jobs (since you got your job at 30, and Haukke is between 28 and 31), and Brayflox onwards is more or less tuned for jobs (32+).

            When I was leveling a tank as my first class, and met a good number of people playing healer as their first class, I find they didn't DPS much. They just erred on the side of caution, and preferred to be on standby to heal me whenever I needed it, rather than be stuck in Cleric Stance, not knowing how to dance between stances. I don't think it's as big of a healer check as you think it is.

            What makes or breaks Brayflox is whether a tank knows how to pull Aiatar out of the poison pool. I used to fail a lot when I was playing a DPS about a week after launch because tanks were too lazy, or didn't know how to reposition Aiatar. A tank has to know how to dodge avoidable attacks, to ease up pressure on the healer.

            Compared to Haukke, where if you got hit by Dark Mist, that's all you would get hit by. Lady Amandine doesn't hit hard with regular attacks, and if you have established enough aggro, you will be in no danger of losing aggro to the DPS or healer, she just continues hitting you for 12 seconds.

            •   Hatsee  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 02:49:16 -0500  

              Yes, but how is that different from what I said? Either these people step in there thinking it's a joke and don't pull up their pants in one failure, or they are told by someone else that they are supposed to always be doing some dps. Have you gone through there recently? I'd say I have around a 50/50 chance of getting a murderer for a healer or a decent one. That was about the odds of getting a good tank or a poor one as well when I healed it the week prior.

              Overall it's just a step up for healers and tanks where they both have to pull their weight. Which is why I applaud the person that made this thread asking how to improve or if it's the tanks.

              •   juniglee  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 09:59:24 -0500  

                A bad tank is more noticeable than a bad healer in Brayflox.

                Good tank, bad healer: Tank dodges spike damage where possible, even a slow healer can pick this up.

                Bad tank, good healer: Eventually healer's mana will run out, and the tank will die, and so will everyone else after.

                I do agree that everyone has to pull their weight. I've done Brayflox multiple times as PLD, WHM, BLM, DRG. I do remember that having a bad tank was worse than having a bad healer.

          •   sulfura3  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:39:41 -0500  

            you can cycle a few nukes, toss a heal, or with a SCH simply let the fairy do the healing while you dot and nuke. This is unacceptable in Brayflox, you can get away with it if you're lucky but most of the time you will simply have the tank targeted and will spam heals.

            Not necessarily. It is true that I preferred to be cautious and not DPS as a WHM (something that changed dramatically once I got "Regen") but as a SCH I never felt like not being able to apply all my DoTs and return to the tank in time. Adloquim + Eos both hold long enough for the tank to not drop below half HP during DoT application.

            At one time while I was playing SCH in Brayflox, the tank even said "I see everyone knows how to play their roles. Let's have fun..." and then proceeded to pull 3 separate pulls at once in the big area. It was brutal and the tank almost died but we made it and we all felt amazing and epic afterwards.

          •   Demitel  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:05:47 -0500  

            To be fair, unless you sync down, this can likely be the first dungeon you run as a SCH. It was the first time I played SCH. Eos and Adloquium make Brayflox a lot more bearable than it would otherwise be.

    • [deleted]  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:57:30 -0500

      Sounds like a tanking problem than a healing one to be honest.

          •   jessica_atreides  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:41:11 -0500  

            I somewhat agree as sometimes I'll go through a dungeon and be like "weee that was easy, thanks amazing other players who kill it" but I know there are more things I can do doing - there is a huge learning curve with me.

      • Spelly  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:36:19 -0500

        A member of the Bene Gesserit asking for tips from Reddit? Never thought I'd see the day.

        (sorry, I don't have anything helpful to add, I'm just here for the bad Dune jokes)

            •   Demitel  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:10:11 -0500  

              The advice must flow.

              It hurt to type that...

            •   jessica_atreides  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 00:10:23 -0500  

              ;) A Dune joke is as good as any tip.

        • 12_21_12  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:26:20 -0500

          whm level 32 + lessosn 101.

          spam cure 1, wait for freecure proc, use cure 2.
          use esuna to remove poison.
          use stoneskin before pull.
          use cure 2 in emergency with no freecure proc.

        • xkadinx  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:20:34 -0500

          I've got a few!

          Repose: Almost everything in this dungeon (except bosses) can be slept. It's a little scary to do it on the first boss adds, because 4 things start hitting the tank right away, but if you have a black mage in your party they can help you out with sleeping extras.

          On the 2nd boss you can sleep either the small drake or the big drake, but I prefer to sleep the big drake and kill the little one first. Makes healing a lot easier when there aren't 2 drakes running around munching on everyone.

          On the last boss, make sure to take the poison off of the tank - it's where a large part of the damage comes from. This gets a lot harder if the tank is being hit by the dragon's breath attack :( Just take off the poison when you can.

          At 32 you picked up a trait called Freecure (15% chance when you cast Cure that your next Cure II is free to cast). Try to use this as much as you can, since Cure II is a big drain on MP. You still have to spam Cure II if the tank is getting hit REALLY hard though..

          Just remember there's only so much you can do - Brayflox is a hard dungeon your first time through.

              •   TitinsHart  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:04:05 -0500  

                You can actually sleep the 1st boss when he pops adds. Makes it much easier on you and and the tank who can then tank and spank one at a time.

                •   Soylentee  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 04:39:25 -0500  

                  You can sleep the 2nd boss as well when the add spawns.

          • GRVHLL  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:31:47 -0500

            That dungeon is more of a tank check. The tank needs to avoid the rectangle AOE at the last boss and move the boss out of the poison or you will lose no matter what. Other than that just keep using Cure and only use Cure II in an emergency. Use esuna to remove poison. If your tank is bad/undergeared it's going to be extremely difficult.

          • Miqote  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:32:00 -0500

            Brayflox's final boss is one of the first dungeons you'll encounter where there are actual "serious" mechanics to the fight and if people ignore them, you wipe a lot.

            The first thing is, your tank needs to dodge the breath attack. If he doesn't, he'll take a ton of damage from that alone. Secondly, you need to Esuna the poison stacks off, especially once it gets 2 or more. (You can kind of let 1 stack slide for a few seconds if you have to.) This is a HUGE thing; a lot of tanks don't (or can't) dodge the breath attack, and it takes like 50-75% of their health in one shot. A tank that has poison stacks up who gets hit with a breath is usually going to die very quickly.

            Third, this fight works best if the range all stay together and as far from the dragon as you can, generally against one wall. When the dragon does her poison, you move out of it (again, preferrably together) and stay against the wall. This lets the tank know where the poison will usually get dropped, and the tank can just kite the dragon around the room in a large circle.

            Cure II will chew through your mana pretty quickly if you're casting it a lot, so you'll typically want to spam Cure and hope for those Freecure procs for a free Cure II and use it when that comes up. Don't be afraid to use a Cure II if you need to, just try not to spam it.

            Don't give up! This dungeon is difficult for new players, and has a pretty steep learning curve. Once you get it though, it's not too tough at all!

          • ronaldhw  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:41:16 -0500

            Some tips for PS3 crossbars: Use the R2+L2 and L2+R2 actions, so you have enough actions without scrolling hotbar (so total you have quick access to 32 actions).

            I set all my dungeon action in R2 and R2+L2 bars, this way you can keep pressing R2 for all the actions.

          • Tsundra  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:52:39 -0500

            Get a decent tank friend. Queue in with him.-> ??? -> Profit. Such an easy dungeon.

          • akuun  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 22:58:51 -0500

            Was the tank's health spiking hard? If so, he was probably eating the laser of doom, which the tank should always dodge. He's either having trouble dodging it on reaction (it's fairly unforgiving), or he's lagging.

            The tank also has the responsibility of kiting the dragon around the room properly to give the party space to work with and to prevent the dragon from healing.

            If the tank is not doing these two things well, it may not be your fault that you can't keep up with heals. The DoTs and damage from the dragon can build up to uncontrollable levels.

          • dannygreen88  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 04:25:58 -0500

            Hold on a second....I think I played with you last night on this run.

            Now you are one elaborate troll or somehow got the level 36 in crafting gear.

            Me and the other two players repeatedly asked why you had crafting gear on and also why you wouldn't dispel poison on the tank. We asked if you knew what ensuna did too.

            Not once did you respond in the chat, but you were there because you played when we engaged mobs.

            Sorry if you were struggling but we offered help and you didn't respond once...therefore it was assumed you were trolling to spirit bond crafting gear.


            Sorry if this wasn't you and if it was you, sorry again if the experience was stressful, but wearing crafting gear in a dungeon and not answering chat is very frustrating for other players.

                •   jessica_atreides  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:31:03 -0500  

                  Not me! I played Monday afternoon! My user name here is my name there and I'd always reply on chat!

                  •   [deleted]  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:31:01 -0500  


                    •   jessica_atreides  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:32:38 -0500  


                      •   Avnas88  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:33:59 -0500  

                        Trying to edit my comment but app is being silly.

                        I was going to say, he was quick to rant at you, considering he didn't check what server you played on first ;)

                        •   jessica_atreides  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:51:31 -0500  

                          I thought it didn't matter what server you were on? Duty Finder takes people from all servers?

                          •   juniglee  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:31:57 -0500  

                            I believe Duty Finder now takes people from the same server cluster. This is the data centre portion of your login.

                            You pick a data centre that your server is grouped in, and from there you can see all the other servers that you might get grouped with for Duty Finder.

                          •   Avnas88  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:15:10 -0500  

                            Oh I didn't know that!

                            •   jessica_atreides  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:39:30 -0500  

                              I didn't either until one person was like "What server is everyone on?" and I was all "woah what?"

                              •   Avnas88  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:09:24 -0500  

                                Haha that's crazy! If that's the case, it surprises me it's such a huge wait for dps in the dutyfinder!

                                •   jessica_atreides  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:59:24 -0500  

                                  Ditto!!!!! I started as a thaumaturge and been wanting to test myself out but can`t ever join on. Maybe everyone is just doing roulette and that has something to do with it?

              • Arnimon  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 05:11:14 -0500

                -> Esuna <-

                    •   dannygreen88  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 06:03:02 -0500  

                      Yeah sorry shocking spelling I was on my phone.

                • Zosimasie  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 06:38:05 -0500

                  One thing I noticed with Brayflox, is that it is waaay easier to heal as a SCH than a WHM, especially the last boss. SCH might not be able to cleanse/esuna/leeches the poison debuff, but even without that, it's sooo much easier.

                  As a WHM, you don't yet have Regen (that's not till 35), but you can spam the hell outta Cure, with a few spot Cure II's if you need that little extra umph. Also, as a WHM, you have Repose, so if people aren't doing aoe dmg, go ahead and sleep something, 'cause why not. As far as Esuna'ing the last bosses poison debuff goes, I usually wait until at least 3 stacks before I cleanse it. Any sooner and you're using more mana on the Esuna than you would just casting Cure on that target in a little bit. And it's not like the poison does that much dmg per tick at 1 or 2 stacks.

                      •   Kaslo25  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 09:57:36 -0500  

                        Also, maybe macro your repose to put an "Ignore" target on the mob. Sometimes--definitely not always--keeps DPS from waking them.

                  • dferrantino  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:56:20 -0500

                    Its very easy to run out of mp when trying to keep him up with Cure II

                    Just wanted to comment on this. Do NOT spam Cure 2, or you're just going to run out of mana. Cure 1 is far more MP efficient, and Cure 2 should be reserved for emergencies or when you get a Freecure proc. Otherwise, just keep dumping those Cure 1s.

                        •   Walcher  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:54:24 -0500  


                          I hope you see this small little piece of useful advice from dferrantino.

                          There's a LOT of bad advice here from people who will struggle with end-game content.

                          1. You should be spamming Cure 1 and only using Cure 2 when it procs (free) or you really need that extra punch
                          2. Sleep is NOT necessary unless you have a ton of time. Your tank might die while you're casting sleep. Using sleep requires you to be able to cancel the cast at an instant's notice and cast cure instead b/c you're tank may take crit hits. It's overcomplicating things for a simple low lvl dungeon.
                          3. Was your tank properly geared? Did he complete his job quest? This makes a huge difference
                          4. Stoneskin everyone before going into a boss fight.
                    • perfectres  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 18:25:20 -0500

                      I don't have any advice as a healer for you but I wanted to address this statement:

                      Because, I'm very serious when I say my heart rate raises and I get >very shaky (I get this way when playing alone so l get much worse >when there is the pressure of getting others through as well).

                      I do, too. Getting through Titan HM left me visibly shaking for around thirty minutes.

                      I feel that this is a good thing. If XIV (or any hobby) doesn't affect you, then you aren't experiencing it in a meaningful way.

                      Keep at it. Don't let the haters get you down. In about two months, you will look back on your post and think 'man, what was my issue?'

                          •   jessica_atreides  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:19:16 -0500  

                            I'm glad to hear I'm not alone on the shaking thing and I appreciate the kind words. It is a small few amount of haters and I was told "mostly they hate when they should be to blame".. which is probably sometimes true. Its funny you say that because when I started weeks ago I didn't even know what a tank was and that I should use aero type thing so its kind of cool the depth to the game and how much you learn.

                            •   krelbel  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:55:34 -0500  

                              That's adrenaline, and fights that manage to get my adrenaline going are my favorite part of this game by far. There's nothing like that feeling, if I can get the adrenaline going in a fight, I don't even care if I win or lose at that point.

                              •   jessica_atreides  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:03:33 -0500  

                                Adrenaline makes me really shaky.. and sweaty.. shaky and sweaty don't do well with me when I'm holding a PS3 remote. At any other time I do enjoy it too ;)

                                •   McSqueeze  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 04:28:41 -0500  

                                  I know what you mean. I've been playing MMOs before, but this was the first one where I started off as a healer. Being a healer puts more pressure on you than playing as a DPS. Keep playing and keep healing. Sooner or later you'll start getting more comfortable with it, and it won't stress you out as much anymore.

                            •   siliconrose  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:39:48 -0500  

                              When I was playing Lord of the Rings Online I was going for the "reach level 20 without dying" title. Of course, if you fail, you have to restart the character. I don't know why, but when I was 19.5 I got bored and decided to go on a quest into some very dark woods with a lot of aggro mobs. It was a boss fight. When I beat the boss I was like... 20 hp from dying? I have never had my heart pound so hard as I did when trying to complete that fight. I was trembling, and yet exhilarated -- I felt on top of the world when I won (and dinged level 20).

                          •   cr3t1n  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 21:41:47 -0500  

                            Titan HM made me sweat and shake also, as a tank, any time I would make it past the Heart phase my pulse would ramp up knowing i had to time my cooldowns for mountain breaker. When i finally beat it the first time i felt as if i was having a heart attack.

                            •   McSqueeze  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 04:21:17 -0500  

                              The Titan-shakes is a pretty common phenomenon, it seems.

                              •   deebrie  Fri, 07 Feb 2014 18:07:26 -0500  

                                I think they'd be more accurately described as Titan quakes.

                      • Swishiee  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:28:50 -0500

                        I ran this yesterday for the first time healing, and I learned a lot. Here's what I found.

                        Freecure helps a lot. Keep an eye on your buffs/action bar for the proc indicator. I also normally use Cure II when they're at or under 50℅ health.

                        Esuna is your best friend here. Tons of enemies like to use poison. The poison is especially bad on the last boss, so Esuna ASAP.

                        Swiftcast helps a ton. If you haven't unlocked it on THM, I highly recommend it. A Swiftcasted Cure or Cure II when in a tight spot helps a ton.

                        I've forgotten the name of it, but the first ability you get when you unlock WHM is good for emergencies. You get 10 seconds of faster casting, which can help a ton. Only use it in emergencies though, since it has a 4 minute cool down.

                        Repose helps with some of the larger group pulls. If your tank is marking mobs (as they should), mark any extra in the group, or one of the last ones as a "Do not attack." One sleeping mob = one less mob attacking your group. This can also fall onto the BLM if you have one in the group.

                        That's basically it from me. Keep in mind I'm fairly new to healing. I'm sure the vets will have way more useful info for you, but these are quick tips from what I've learned doing this role for the first time.

                            •   jessica_atreides  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:40:14 -0500  

                              I keep hearing about freecure - I'll need to do some reading on that as I'm curious is it something that happens on its own or pops up that I have to then execute?

                              I have yet to start my THM .. which I should do soon too..

                              •   krelbel  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:48:49 -0500  

                                Occasionally, after casting Cure 1, you'll get a temporary status effect called Freecure, and the skill icon for Cure 2 will lose its MP cost and gain a bright yellow dotted line outline. While that status effect is active and that outline is there, the next Cure 2 cast will cost 0 MP.

                                Because of this, it's very important that you have the status effect and skill icon for Cure 2 very visible on your HUD. On PC, I keep skills that I want to watch for outlines like this (straight shot on BRD, Fire/Thunder for BLM, Cure 2 for WHM, among many others) on their own bar, right next to the center of my screen, with very large icons (ctrl+home to resize HUD element sizes).

                                •   jessica_atreides  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:51:08 -0500  

                                  Oooohhhh.. mine is a double blue line. I wondered. Someone needs to write a FFXIV For Dummies... or am I somehow missing all this information in the game?

                                  •   krelbel  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:01:43 -0500  

                                    There are a lot of things that aren't explained very well. Fortunately (as you've seen in this thread!) the game is social by its very nature, and the community is generally very willing to help out anyone willing to learn.

                                  •   Soylentee  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 04:40:49 -0500  

                                    You're missing out on reading the tooltips of the abilities you get.

                                  •   Sp00nyBard  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 21:09:33 -0500  

                                    Its listed in the traits section of abilities.

                                    •   cr3t1n  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 21:55:51 -0500  

                                      I was going to say this. Even as an MMO veteran I find myself going through all the Traits and reading the descriptions when I level.

                                      •   Sp00nyBard  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 00:36:33 -0500  

                                        I read everything i can find in there. It had to be put there by someone which mesns it has importance.

                        • inemnitable  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:32:33 -0500

                          I'm very serious when I say my heart rate raises and I get very shaky

                          I'm not sure I would describe this as a panic attack, precisely. It's my body's typical reaction to an adrenaline rush, anyway.

                          In any case, there are a few things you can do to perform better as a healer on Aiatar. The first is don't use Cure II as your regular heal--the only time you should be casting Cure II without a freecure proc is if you need to catch up on healing because the tank is in danger of dying.

                          Be prepared to Esuna the tank occasionally as one of his regular attacks will poison them. Be prepared also to Esuna and probably Cure II them if they eat the dragon breath, but mostly be prepared to get mad at them for eating it, because if they do it more than a few times you're pretty much guaranteed to run out of mana.

                          When the dragon pukes his green stuff on someone, that person will need an Esuna immediately, and a cure eventually when you get a GCD and the tank is in no immediate danger. Have people spread out so the puke only hits one person instead of 2 or 3--this will significantly reduce the healing load.

                              •   jessica_atreides  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:38:23 -0500  

                                LOL sorry I was being dramatic with saying panic attack just kind of portraying the severity of how much it affects me when I play and mostly to try to be funny.

                                I was aware of the green pools and did my best to esuna but it seemed everyone was suddenly borderline dying and then dead and I'm like "wow I'm just not fast enough".

                                •   inemnitable  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:43:11 -0500  

                                  With the puke, if they aren't an idiot and stand around in it, they should be sitting comfortably around half HP after you esuna their poison, at which point you have plenty of time to make sure the tank is going to be ok for a bit before you heal them back up, as the next one won't come for a while.

                                •   Soylentee  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 04:50:49 -0500  

                                  If people are dieing on Aiator they're just dumb and stand around in the green shit, or in the case of the tank he's failing at dodging the breath attack which hits like a truck and will leave most healers dry on MP quick.

                                  DPS don't get hurt in that fight other than the occasional barf. If you move out of it just as it lands you're left at ~2/3 hp with 1 poison stack, easy to handle.

                                  Another thing that can unnecessarily prolong the fight is leaving the boss standing in his barf, which heals him.

                                •   zxcv168  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 21:33:39 -0500  

                                  I get the shaking thing too when I play certain things in an mmo. I think it's generally either from pvp related stuff or high level raiding stuff. Like the most severe case I remember I would have to use my left hand to hold my right hand down. I am not sure if it's from the excitement or the anticipation of the events or whatnot, but the shaking part makes it hard to aim at stuff so I pretty much stay away from most first person shooters and pvp related activity in mmos lol

                          • Draidr  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:36:21 -0500

                            Going to recap some of what's been said below but helpful for those learning a class the skills it entails.

                            • Use Cure I over Cure II as much as possible (Cure II should proc frequent enough) as its more mana efficient.
                            • Use Ensuna! Brayflox is like finals for graduating from Freshman to Sophomore. Yellow Pelican and several mobs including the final boss have a Poison DoT (Damage over Time) that gets nasty if not taken care of. So learn to spot when your tank or DPS get DoT'ed.
                            • Practice on Lower level dungeons. If you find you just aren't fast enough in your heals or switching targets, go back to previous dungeons like Haukke Manor or the like and practice healing your tanks and DPS.
                            • Use Sleep! If you find the tank is just taking too much damage for you to keep up with heals (or he's losing Enmity to your heals), try sleeping one or two of the adds to keep things in check. Not the best strategy for groups that AOE like w/ party combinations of Bards, SMN's and Blackmages.

                            Brayflox is tough for those inexperienced with MMO's or video games in general. I feel for ya. But after you beat Brayflox, I highly recommend repeating it several more times for both Gear and experience as the lessons you take away from it make you a better player. =) best of luck!

                                •   jessica_atreides  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:49:56 -0500  

                                  Thanks! I was going to go through all the advice and write out all the key points but looks like you summed it up. I'm still going to reread everything because I want to feel 100% confident going back but its nice to see it laid out simply.

                                  I've ran through some dungeons with total ease where all I needed was cure, even when there was poison as I got lucky with super experienced people who just killed it. I've been told there is nothing wrong with my healing skills - I told a friend how pretty upset I was that one person said to me "well duh" to me when I didn't know I should be using esuna - previous runs I didn't.. so that response was disheartening.

                                  •   Draidr  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 21:01:02 -0500  

                                    No problem and best of luck to ya! Don't let other players get you disheartened. Using Ensuna properly takes practice and skill. No really. My alt class is Scholar and I've had to train myself to look for the Dots on my party members and cast as soon as I see them. Not because its crucial or necessary for that fight, but to keep myself looking for when I actually DO need to use it in an important fight. I even Ensuna/Leeches the Warriors when use their Berserk skill and it weapon locks them.

                                  •   cr3t1n  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 22:01:38 -0500  

                                    You're the healer, that means you decide who get's healed. If someone mouths off to you like that stop healing them... They'll figure it out. ;) ;)

                                    •   jessica_atreides  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 00:18:07 -0500  

                                      Hahaha well before I could even retort he said "I don't have the time or patience for this" and then ditched us...

                                      •   cr3t1n  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 00:46:19 -0500  

                                        For the best i assume. Remember this, Duty Finder for a DPS takes avg 25 minutes, whereas a healer takes seconds... Plus he gets a 30 minute penalty for quitting a dungeon.

                                •   krinchan  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:55:08 -0500  

                                  Coordinate sleeps with Warriors. We have limited casts of Flash and our AoE threat generator, Overpower, does damage which defeats the purpose. Usually, we will just flash but if we're trying to keep up the pace of the run, we may ask you to repose AFTER two Overpowers.

                                  •   krelbel  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:14:01 -0500  

                                    Another alternative that I really like in low level dungeons (both as a WAR and a WHM) is to combine Fluid Aura with Repose. This can be macroed easily enough so you can do it with one click:

                                    /macroicon "Fluid Aura"
                                    /mk bind <t>
                                    /ac "Fluid Aura" <t>
                                    /wait 3
                                    /ac "Repose" <t>

                                    This gets the enemy far from the rest of the group before sleeping it, making it much less likely that the tank or DPS will accidentally wake it up, and making it possible for the WAR to Overpower the rest of the group as much as he wants. Since heal enmity doesn't build on sleeping targets, it can be safely ignored until it wakes up.

                                    Only do this on a low-priority target that isn't currently being focused down by DPS, or the DPS (and tank) will be upset. Wait until the tank has flashed/overpowered/etc. once to get at least some enmity on the target before pushing it away, so the target runs back to the tank after waking up, instead of you. Finally, only do this if your tank and DPS are okay with it; it's useful in low level dungeons with undergeared/underskilled groups, but only an annoyance in almost all cases for endgame dungeons.

                            • SiriusSummer  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:56:02 -0500

                              I can't give advice on the hotbars, but as as fellow WHM:

                              • Anxiety: Run some lower level instances to gear up, practice, and restore confidence. Also, step away from the game for a bit, watch a movie, read a book, or hang out with a friend or family. When you get back to the game, put on some good music while you play. Something inspirational and kick-ass.

                              • Cure 1: is your spam cure.

                              • Cure 2: is for "oh shit" or when Freecure procs. It heals for 150% of Cure 1, but is TWICE the cost. This is why you don't spam it unless you absolutely 100% need to or the tank will die (speedruns @.@). Always mix Cure 1 in as much as possible, though.

                              • Esuna: for poisons and other debuffs BUT it is a mana hog if you have to constantly spam it. You will need to learn what effects do what to people and be able to prioritize. Paralyze and some DoTs need to be removed ASAP. Heavy and other DoTs are situational. On the last fight, save it for yourself and the tank and just toss heals to the DPS.

                              • Repose: Set it up a macro to mark the mob, announce it in /party. One less mob beating on the tank is a lifesaver. Learn the timer and be prepared to recast Repose just before it wears off. It will last less time with each recast on the same mob. AND you can have multiple mobs Reposed so don't think you can only do one!

                              • Cleric stance: DO NOT use this if you are healing. I've seen too many WHM/CNJ healing with it active. DO NOT have it up if you're casting heals. (Cleric Stance dancing is useful, but switching it on and off can be tricky, especially if you have any lag.)

                              • Stoneskin: When the last mob of a group is at 30% health or less, cast Stoneskin on the tank so you don't need to between groups.

                              • *Focus Target: I'm not sure what it is on PS3, but make a macro if you need to. Setting a boss as your Focus Target will let you see big moves when they're coming and prepare for them even while you have party members targeted for heals.

                              Gear: Keep your gear reasonably updated. This means buy it from Grand Companies with seals or buy white/normal grade items if a piece is severely out of date. Weapons are worth it; they boost your healing.

                              Class quests: Some give you very important abilities. Make sure you keep up to date with these.

                              • Regen: You don't have it at Brayflox level, but later, use it. It's an awesome heal. Cast it on the tank right after s/he Flashes or Overpowers, then heal as usual. Don't recast it at/near the end of a pull or before the tank pulls, otherwise you'll get aggro.

                              For Brayflox:

                              • Repose/Sleep an add or two, especially if your tank is squishy. If your tank marks, Repose the last ones.

                              • 1st boss, some tanks have trouble tanking both boss and adds since they're still gearing up. DPS may need to tank the adds. Make sure you Esuna Paralyze off everyone. This fight can be a little hairy for healers and tanks, especially those just gearing up or getting used to the difficulty increase.

                              • 2nd boss, Repose the boss when the add appears and starts chasing the gobby. When Brayflox turns to you, run away from him and keep running til he stops and starts fighting the boss again.

                              • 3rd boss, fairly simple.

                              • 4th boss (dragon)- Tank should face him against a wall ranged (you included) need to decide where the clear path will be for the tank to pull him. When I run, we usually keep the center clear, which means the ranged people need to stay along the wall for when he spits poison pools at them. This way the tank has a clear place to move the boss so it won't sit in the pools and heal up. When the boss DOES spit poison at you, move to the edge of the poison pool. If he spits at you again, they'll overlap a bit and save room. Only worry about casting Esuna on the tank and yourself. Scholars don't have Leeches (Esuna) at this level and manage just fine. DPS can use antidotes, but do make sure to toss them a heal. Primarily the tank should have your focus, though as they will be taking a LOT of damage, ESPECIALLY if they can't dodge. Cure 1 as much as possible, Cure 2 when there's a Freecure proc or when needed. And BREATHE. This fight's part luck and part skill, though ultimately skill can triumph over poor luck here.

                              ~~~~ My final 2gil as a healer: Healing can be very stressful in this game. You could be healing your ass off and doing AWESOME but if your group can't take hits, can't dodge, it will seem like you're doing a shitty job, too. There really is only so much you can do; it's up to your team to avoid taking damage and burn mobs down. Don't let it get to you, but always try your best. :)

                            • desterion  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:23:01 -0500

                              People keep saying brayflox is a tank check, while this is true, it is not entirely. It's also a pretty brutal dungeon on the healer as the amount of damage vs mitigation there is quite high. You don't have a lot of tools as you would later on nor really the experience. I've been playing MMOs since around 01/02 and I still found the dungeon difficult my first times through as a scholar. For the last boss some other options might be to use esuna to fix the poison and possibly stoneskin as well. I don't have really any experience on the healer end using it since adloqium is better imo, but I've tanked parties where stoneskin worked quite well.

                            • Mista_F  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 21:36:38 -0500

                              What server are you on?

                              As for the hotbar, since you're playing on PS3 i'm assuming that you're using the cross bar. I'd suggest studying your abilities and organizing them according to usage and accessibility. You'll want your main skills like Cure bound to the right-side buttons, while cooldowns and other stuff you don't need bound to the D-pad.

                              Also should be helpful to know that you get a White Mage (or any class) quest every 5 levels, and usually you'll get either a helpful new ability or gear, so definitely do those immediately.

                                  •   jessica_atreides  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 21:50:10 -0500  

                                    I'm on Lamia. I'm updating everything now to log in and do just what you are suggesting :)

                                    •   Sylvanmoon  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 03:05:13 -0500  

                                      If you want a hands on view of your healing, feel free to contact me on Lamia. I can run a dungeon with you and see if there's any advice I could offer. Myrinda Dragonsbane.

                                      •   jessica_atreides  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:03:57 -0500  

                                        Awesome. I will add you this evening or very soon.

                              • danudey  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 00:39:36 -0500

                                The first time I ran Brayflox as a WHM, I had a hard time keeping up with the damage. One of the things I started doing was casting Repose. If the tank marks mobs #1/#2/#3, then sleep #2 and sleep #3, and then go back to healing. That'll hugely reduce the amount of damage the tank is taking, making it much easier to heal.

                                For boss fights, it should be mostly fine because there's fewer things going on (with the exception of the first fight which is crazy).

                                In terms of difficulty, Brayflox is the brick wall that you hit while levelling. It's the first challenging dungeon that you can't just breeze past, and it's meant to be hard. The dungeons stop pussyfooting around at that point, so you have to step up your game to get through. Once you do, though, it's extremely rewarding.

                              • diulalasing  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 03:59:19 -0500

                                I ran Brayflox so much its been sickening

                                Here is some tip as whm, if your tank is geared well, you do not need to esuna him until he gets at least 3 stacks

                                Your tank must dodge all the dragon laser and save cooldowns right after he miss 1

                                Your dps should not get hit by Aiater other then the toxic circle thing that is kinda impossible to dodge, but that said, dont esuna unless they get over 2 stack, 99% of the time it falls off

                                All the range must stand very spreaded, so the toxic circle only hit 1 at a time, this does help

                                Do not stand too far from the tank, because at some point, he is most likely to have to move Aiater around

                              • travmak  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 06:09:38 -0500

                                We just did BL last night helping a friend. My wife and I are both level 50 wearing our synched gear. I was tanking on my war and she was healing on her whm. Even geared for the dungeon my wife made the comment that I was taking a whole lot of damage even on trash mobs. She was able to keep up but having to use cure 2 a lot more than she thought should be necessary.

                                How was the tank doing? as a lot of the comments say, BL is a tank check. Was he/she doing their part to reduce damage taken by moving out of AOE? Were they using any defensive cool-downs? Were they keeping hate ok preventing you from having to heal the entire group?

                                Are you on Leviathan by chance? My wife and I love helping new and struggling players.

                                    •   jessica_atreides  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:02:27 -0500  

                                      I'm on Lamia.. I would have loved the help!

                                    •   Kaslo25  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 09:58:57 -0500  

                                      BL is the first dungeon that really changes how dungeons are run, where healers can't DPS as much, tanks are much more squishy, and sleeping mobs helps a ton.

                                      •   sukoshiseppen  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:32:59 -0500  

                                        That only applies to whm. I dps the entire run as sch in clerics. My fairy does the heals. Even on last boss for most part to. Faster things die. The less healing required.

                                • Liavain  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 01:24:28 -0500

                                  Unfortunately you have several things against you as a Healer.

                                  First- This is your first MMO. Generally playing a healer type job is not very "first MMO" friendly.

                                  Second- You play on a PS3. Healing/Tanking is very difficult to play via a controller.

                                  My advice would be to switch to a DPS class just to get the feel for FFXIV and the fights in general. If you still wish to heal, ditch the controller and get a keyboard and mouse. This will at least make healing much more bearable.

                                      •   buddathegreat  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 11:00:30 -0500  

                                        Healing is really comfy and easy with a controller though.

                                      •   Kaslo25  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:02:21 -0500  

                                        Tanking is not hard to play via controller.

                                      •   jessica_atreides  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:04:28 -0500  

                                        I do have a mouse and keyboard I'm just not sure how this would help me?

                                        •   rollingsuika  Fri, 07 Feb 2014 00:14:06 -0500  

                                          It won't, I've tried using a mouse on ps3 and it's far too sluggish/doesn't have the same response time as on a PC.

                                          Controller and keyboard is perfectly fine, my boyfriend is a WHM on Twintania and uses PS3/controller. Everything is possible! (though a little less convenient than with a PC/mouse)

                                  • kwright5  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:58:39 -0500

                                    Brayflox is stupid because it's the last dungeon before you get to utilize regen consistently.

                                    Basically you should be spamming Cure I until you get a Freecure proc and then cast Cure II. Rinse and repeat will get you through just fine.

                                    Also, don't worry the HM to BL transition is the first of two big jumps in difficulty in FFXIV:ARR; the second coming after Garuda HM.

                                  • djfacebooth  Sun, 09 Feb 2014 01:40:46 -0500

                                    If brayfox is giving you trouble, wait till coil, brah.

                                  • zegota  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:08:33 -0500

                                    You should definitely rearrange your hotbars. Cure I and Cure II should on the same hotbar, ideally right next to each other. At that level, you should only need 1 hotbar to hold all the actions you use in battle.

                                  • TurnBasedPPS  Wed, 05 Feb 2014 21:58:22 -0500

                                    Brayflox is indeed the first step in a series of dungeons that ramp up in difficulty. Temple of Qarn, Cutter's Cry, Steel Vigil, Aurum Vale will all test your skills as a player and prepare you for the more difficult fights in endgame. You need to prepare yourself for some tough fights ahead.

                                    That said, people have more or less given the best advice in this thread, so all I can say is good luck and enjoy the game!

                                        •   rollingsuika  Fri, 07 Feb 2014 00:17:01 -0500  

                                          I had some real trouble in CC as a WHM. Before that healing had seemed really easy, but CC was stressful! It really depends on who you're running it with. When I tried it again another time, it was much easier - tank and DPS ate much less damage. If DPS are decent you should rarely need to pay attention to them. (obviously dependent on fight and mechanics)

                                    • Soylentee  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 04:32:29 -0500

                                      You're playing a healer on PS3. :(

                                          •   jessica_atreides  Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:02:46 -0500  

                                            I do have a mouse and keyboard.. but I'm not sure how that would help my speed at all.


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